6.05.2005
you'll get nothing......and like it
as an architect, where do we draw the line between giving the client what they want and what they don't know they need.
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i hope i got this post understood right. from what i've seen i think it is our duty as architects to help guide and inform our clients of diffrent design solutions. i think that in almost every condition, the client will achieve what she/he desires in more dynamic design solutions. rather than taking the simple "easy" route...i've found that the more fantastic solutions have been a fusion of architect and contractor. [architects] don't always have the right answer. time and time again my principles have had intense charrets w/ our contractors to resolve problems with what the client wants and what is good for the design. all solutions i can say have been fantastic...and it has been a true pleasure to witness this exchange of ideas and intensity for the project. we all all working for the same goal...to create a fantastic architecture for the client. i hope that made sense.
tommy I agree,
the question is a little vague. but it was my first post, and wanted to give it a shot.
anyway i agree that we are here to take in the wants and desires of the client and guide it into something they couldn't have imagined on there own. I also agree on the "exchange of ideas" between architect and contractor. The firm i work for knows the builders in the area that not only can build what they design, but are able to figure out artistc solutions in the feild.
I guess i'm curious as to what you guys think, if a client really desires soemthing that is aweful, but they have hired you, and they want to to build it. do you reason, combined, negotiate, dump, build, give in, or burn the job. where is that line? how far would you go?
the question is a little vague. but it was my first post, and wanted to give it a shot.
anyway i agree that we are here to take in the wants and desires of the client and guide it into something they couldn't have imagined on there own. I also agree on the "exchange of ideas" between architect and contractor. The firm i work for knows the builders in the area that not only can build what they design, but are able to figure out artistc solutions in the feild.
I guess i'm curious as to what you guys think, if a client really desires soemthing that is aweful, but they have hired you, and they want to to build it. do you reason, combined, negotiate, dump, build, give in, or burn the job. where is that line? how far would you go?
for me...i am confident to say that i would uphold [my own] ethics of architecture. i think this relates to one of gabes post:
"the worst thing is they get jobs and produce even duller crap when they get out of school..."
the dull crap is what happens when architects don't uphold their own standards of design and let the client control the design process. why hire a architect if your going to force your ideas thru anyway. [they] need us...i would not be able to sleep @ night knowing that "I" let a project go thru my hands that i didn't feel was right, just for the $. fuck that! we don't get enough $ to begin with..so why sell my
decency:(the quality or state of being decent)
along with it. ha! that's me @ least. others?
"the worst thing is they get jobs and produce even duller crap when they get out of school..."
the dull crap is what happens when architects don't uphold their own standards of design and let the client control the design process. why hire a architect if your going to force your ideas thru anyway. [they] need us...i would not be able to sleep @ night knowing that "I" let a project go thru my hands that i didn't feel was right, just for the $. fuck that! we don't get enough $ to begin with..so why sell my
decency:(the quality or state of being decent)
along with it. ha! that's me @ least. others?
i agree with tom and eric, contractors can be one of the biggest influences on a project. the other is getting a good design that the builders can work with that the client likes and wants to pay for. while working here i have worked on some absolute crap! i find it difficult to stay focused and complete easy tasks on crappy projects. it is a question of ones own ethics.
many times clients are stuborn and the only way to get their attention is to let them go or at least threaten them with the possibility.
they need to know that the creation of dogmatic bullshit is never worth the their commission. that architecture is about the physical manifestation of ideas and space for the advancement of our socitey. would l. kahn have taken a job if the client turned it into a piece of copycrap.i don't think so.
the architectural proffession wlaks such a fine line between knowing a great deal and knowing nothing. it must be a combined process between client, architect, contractor, and engineers early in the project. it is getting open minded people, willing to compromise and cooperate, together to solve a problem in a manner that is relative to it's location, culture and instance in time. peace.
many times clients are stuborn and the only way to get their attention is to let them go or at least threaten them with the possibility.
they need to know that the creation of dogmatic bullshit is never worth the their commission. that architecture is about the physical manifestation of ideas and space for the advancement of our socitey. would l. kahn have taken a job if the client turned it into a piece of copycrap.i don't think so.
the architectural proffession wlaks such a fine line between knowing a great deal and knowing nothing. it must be a combined process between client, architect, contractor, and engineers early in the project. it is getting open minded people, willing to compromise and cooperate, together to solve a problem in a manner that is relative to it's location, culture and instance in time. peace.
Ah yes, the all important decision of what does it cost to 'keep the doors open,' according to Sach-daddy. At what point does one sacrifice the architectural integrity of a project so that they will get the money and will be able to survive? The timeless question so eloquently put forward by Ayn Rand in her classic novel, The Fountainhead. Are we all Howard Roark's, always pursuing the purity of our morals and sticking beside them no matter what the circumstances, or do we 'sell out' and give in when the going gets tough, realizing how tough the world is and how we need the money to survive? Only you can decide.
sam
that was beautifully vauge! perfect. tell me what your getting paid right now and DOUBLE IT!!! because that is what i will pay for you.
love
that was beautifully vauge! perfect. tell me what your getting paid right now and DOUBLE IT!!! because that is what i will pay for you.
love
gabilicious, you know me, why make things simple when you can complicate them? Ok, I make $8 now, so $16/hr, it's settled
sammy,
you make 8 an hour at starbucks?
i didn't know that was the going rate for selling your soul. ha ha.
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you make 8 an hour at starbucks?
i didn't know that was the going rate for selling your soul. ha ha.
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